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Testing, barry scheck of the innocence project was critical in setting up the original testing. and in fact, in our arguments on the 30th the northwestern innocence project has submitted a brief amicus curiae, a very powerful brief demonstrate -- in most of these conviction cases you have one a number of factors, either a false confession by a mentally handicapped juvenile or phony expert testimony or wrongful eyewitness testimony. and what they've demonstrated and we've demonstrated is this is the perfect storm of all of those factors. every factor which can lead to a false and wrongful convi...

>> oh, sure. the original testing, dna testing, barry sheck of the innocence project was critical in setting up the original testing. in fact, in our arguments on the 30th, the northwestern innocence project has submitted a brief amicus curaie, that in most of these conviction cases you have either a false confession by a mentally handicapped juvenile or a phony expert testimony or wonderful eyewitness testimony. what they've demonstrated and we've demonstrated is this is the perfect storm of all of those factors. every factor which can lead to a false and wonderful conviction was present in t...