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Yonk conye conyers, you have encouraged him to step down, correct? >> i have asked him to step down from the ranking position. >> okay. not necessarily from his seat. >> that's correct. >> some have asked him to resign from congress. and my question is, since you are not part of that, is that we have seen reports now that republican congressman of texas also used the same fund to settle a sexual harassment suit for over $80,000. is the congressional leaders, ms. pelosi and others who called on conyers to resign, are they going to call on him to resign? what's the standard here? there are diffe...

This will devastate our economy by my observation. when you look at the corporate, the corporate rates at 35%, it is 35%, but nobody pays that 35%. but the loophole is for the corporate america. many companies pay less than, don't pay any at all, like 10%. they have fixed the loopholes. so to pay for that, the middle class and the poor folks are asked to do it, claiming they will create jobs for others. when you talk to the ceos, they will say their responsibility is to our shareholder, not to our employees. so what money they will get goes back to the shareholders, not raising salaries, and t...

The united states to step aside? >> that's why my position is clear. if you took the position that conyers should step down, you have to take the position that any member that has been allegedly involved in sexual harassment, that they have to resign. my position is that -- i'm a lawyer. you do have due process. and if someone wants to go through the ethics committee and submit themselves -- they have the right to do that. if one feels that they know they are guilty, that's their choice. my opinion, it is conyers' choice. but if he has to step down, anyone else in the same situation should als...

Forward. >> so you don't know if you believe the accusations? >> that's for the ethics committee to review. but i believe he understands what is at stake here. and he will do the right thing. >> i'm joined right now by the nbc capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. i have loved your reporting on this. you've had a great perspective every time you reported. the tricky thing, a number of factors there is the charge that have not been proven yet, though they seem to be acknowledged in a way, or the settlement was made because this woman didn't do what the chairman wanted her to do. but then there...

Harassment, or other people who are yelled at or harassed rather sexually or not, she's bivgly encouraging them to come out and tell their story as well. so she's clearly not the only one in this. obviously, there was the report over the weekend about several people who had settled sexual harassment claims against conye conyers. >> we should be clear. mel aniesloan is not alone. where we are in the halls of power with this reckoning about bad behavior, sexual misbehavior. i mean every day there's a new headline and accusation. >> part of it is all these members of congress are failable just li...