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Me. you saw the nickname of coon man. we saw that when he chose to dress up for halloween he chose to dress up as his quote, unquote, favorite governor a slave holder. when i bring all those things together, you know, that is what i'm basing my decisions on and if you see all the reports that came out right after this happened, his instincts were right. his instincts were he needed to step aside because he realized he wouldn't be able to lead under those circumstances. after a night of sleep and getting in some rooms with some bad advisors they chose to fight the thing out and see if they can ...

Outfit or put shoe polish on their face. if they did, people would run away from them. if it happened, i don't know. it sure as heck didn't happen at medical schools or will you schools. i cannot vouch for entire state of alabama twitter people. but i never saw that. and i sure never saw the other things, what he described as coon man being his nick anymona his black face picture wasn't the only picture in that 1984 year book and you're sitting there thinking where is -- is this in, you know, deep virginia 1942? i mean, it's unbelievable. >> many of these folks went on

Course for virginia and he resigned and moved forward. >> i have to ask you, sir. he was your lieutenant governor. it's not just the photograph on his yearbook page. he also, in his virginia military institute high school yearbook page, he's identified one of his nicknames is coon man which he has yet to explain. there is also a video out there circulating of him refusing to shake the hand of his black opponent after a 2013 debate. i know that the ralph northam you know in your words is a good man. but -- >> yep. >> but has he also been a racist? >> i have zero indication of that. as i say, fa...

We have to close that chapter. we have to move virginia forward. justin fairfax, african-american lieutenant governor, will do a great job of bringing folks back together. this is a part of the chapter of ralph's life, and as i say, he'll be remembered for so many great things but he'll also be remembered in a time of need that he chose the right moral course for virginia and he resigned and moved forward. >> i have to ask you, sir. he was your lieutenant governor. it's not just the photograph on his yearbook page. he also, in his virginia military institute high school yearbook page, he's ide...

He's building a time bomb. and this time bomb exploded on him. i'm sure he hoped he would get all the way through without anybody discovering he used to run around in blackface. >> it has been 30 years. that's a long time of silence from anyone. >> but it was 1984, you know. this guy has run for office a half dozen times. he has built and maintained his time bomb. it's exploded on him. it's nobody's fault but his own. he needs to take responsibility, he needs to resign, and the way to promote healing is to join governor mcdonald who has pulled forth a group of folks because it's the 480th year...