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It's all dramatics. i think quite frankly i think this is all just a front. i don't think president trump has any one bit of an intention of going in there and sitting down and talking. >> total ruse. i'll go in. >> good cop/bad cop. >> quickly, bob. >> first of all, it's essentially an admission we're not worried about collusion but we're worried about obstruction. mueller is only playing a little game here. he calls the shots. i was a head prosecutor. this is how it works. you come in or don't come in. answer all our questions or don't answer our questions. mueller is protecting the record s...

Got -- >> the president shouldn't just be counting on his base for votes. he needs to flip votes. >> he does, but who is he listening to? >> yeah. >> i mean, think about it. who is he listening to? himself. he's got all kinds of people around him. he has all kinds of qualified, educated people that know that they have an area of expertise. doesn't matter. it's donald trump. >> the problem with this good cop/bad cop strategy is that it takes all of the pressure off the alleged good cops, right? we're so thankful, oh, my god, dan coats, you said something true, wow. that people aren't asking the...

It's another way for him to demean her. they have this good cop/bad cop demeanor and i think we saw that playing out today. >> annie karni, was a clarification of his daughter's comments, do you have any reporting that suggests that he was displeased with her not towing the family line? >> i don't think so. but he has expressed frustration with ivanka in the past. he has expressed frustration in the past with ivanka and jared even being in the white house, saying, you know, this was a bad idea, they should go back to new york. but the sarah moment i found instructive too, about the limits of w...

It's another way for him to demean her. they have this good cop/bad cop demeanor and i think we saw that playing out today. >> annie karni, was a clarification of his daughter's comments, do you have any reporting that suggests that he was displeased with her not towing the family line? >> i don't think so. but he has expressed frustration with ivanka in the past. he has expressed frustration in the past with ivanka and jared even being in the white house, saying, you know, this was a bad idea, they should go back to new york. but the sarah moment i found instructive too, about the it's anothe...

Just a savvy business decision. she couched it, defending her father, without saying i'm defending my father, by saying i can understand how certain people feel targeted and they feel that way. but she's been getting a little bit of credit today for coming out and disagreeing with her father, although i don't really feel like she disagreed. i don't know that we should be giving credit for not being a lunatic. >> we here do not give points for not being a lunatic. >> this is not a big disagreement for ivanka trump and her father. in fact her father came out afterwards and basically clarified he...