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If you talked to nonpartisan analysts, journalists, they will say the sanctions the administration put on russia in recent months do take it a step further than the obama administration did. at the same time the president is on the phone with vladimir putin, he's very friendly, inviting him to the white house. is there an arrangement to be made that playing good cop bad cop is not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to a potential adversary like russia? >> the good cop bad cop proposed approach is not appropriate in this instance. i think vladimir putin and the russian government have to und...

Advantage in negotiation in which his good cop/bad cop staff pulls him back from some seemingly extreme version of events to something more tenable that the allies and other partners have to meet him more in the middle? that's an interesting question that i don't know we really have a good answer to. >> anita, i'll ask you to answer this. how much of this is -- i'll throw out a bush-era word, tra stingry? i'm for protectionism, i'm against trade, which is exactly what a lot of his working-class base wants to hear. when the republicans on capitol hill lose their mind, larry kudlow comes out, wh...

Is his talk about ripping up the iran deal, ripping up nafta, pulling out of syria, how much of this is intentionally maximized in order to gain advantage in negotiation in which his good cop/bad cop staff pulls him back from some seemingly extreme version of events to something more tenable that the allies and other partners have to meet him more in the middle? that's an interesting question that i don't know we really have a good answer to. >> anita, i'll ask you to answer this. how much of this is -- i'll throw out a bush-era word, tra stingry? i'm for protectionism, i'm against trade, whic...

For just another moment. is there a valid argument to be made that donald trump could be playing good cop/bad cop. he's going to be good cop on the phone with vladimir putin. he's going to try to befriend him in order to get him to work with the u.s. on issues that matter to us in foreign policy in syria or arms race, et cetera, while the administration does the tough work of sanctioning the state when they overstep? i mean, is there an argument to be made that you do need to straddle that line? >> there is an argument to be made, if you want to keep your adversaries guessing, you want to leav...

He has good cop-bad cop. he has the good cops trying to make a deal with the special counsel to limit his exposure to limit the kinds of questions. but then he's also preparing bad cops. joe digenova, can get on television, go to court, litigate i don't think it's a bad strategy. the problem is dowd didn't want to be caught in the middle of that. he wanted to be in control of the strategy, only play good cop. >> laura, i was going to say, i agree with allen. but you can't be good cop and the bad cop. dowd had the situation last week he was calling on the white house, special counsel to limit h...