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The car door and ricocheted, it was a devastator bullet. >> it went in sideways, didn't it? >> it went in sideways. if it hadn't been nicked, explode inside, and that's what happened to jim. >> it exploded in his head, as well. and that was one of the things we worked on, to get rid of the devastator bullets. also kol la locate qualifily kn as cop killer bullets. >> what needs to be done today, as far as you're concerned? >> the worst thing we're facing now, the minute that gabby giffords was shot -- so many simt ale similarities -- i thought to myself, why is he able to shoot 30 shots? becaus...

The guy who was not even against plastic guns and cop killer bullets, that dick cheney now says, yeah, maybe we ought to look at banning the high-capacity magazines again. you know who else is saying that thing? the man that argued the case before the supreme court that established that the second amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms. the chair of the board of the libertarian catto institute, robert levy. he said not only does he not see any constitutional barrier to banning extended ammunition clips for guns, he thinks it would probably be a good idea, this is the man who arg...

Detectors. the guy who was not even against plastic guns and cop killer bullets, that dick cheney now says, yeah, maybe we ought to look at banning the high-capacity magazines again. you know who else is saying that thing? the man that argued the case before the supreme court that established that the second amendment protects an individual's right to bear arms. the chair of the board of the libertarian catto institute, robert levy. he said not only does he not see any constitutional barrier to banning extended ammunition clips for guns, he thinks it would probably be a good idea, this is the ...

But i think both of these cases, these measures came up under suspension of the rules. they came up where amendments weren't allowed, debate was limited. >> even 12 years later, you see him physically squirming on that one. dick cheney physically trying to squirm away from the shame of that vote by saying, oh, it was about the process by which the ban was brought up. i was unhappy about the closed rule process. the ban plastic guns legislation was initially opposed by the nra, naturally. but even the nra looked around, realized how that made them look, and they changed their mind on it. in the...

Then-congressman dick cheney of wyoming. 12 years after that vote, 12 years later, in the year 2000, dick cheney was still catching hell for that vote. that vote haunted him his entire political career. >> two votes that really did create a lot of interest, particularly amongst police organizations, were your votes on gun control. the first was a ban on cop-killer votes. the vote was 400 yes, 21 no. and a vote on plastic guns that terrorists use to hijack planes to get them undetectable through security, 413 to 4. those aren't democrat/republican numbers, liberal/conservatives. that's a fringe...