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Point. that's usually triggered by a rejection. and then you know what they do? the copycat phenomena comes around. they scroll of the internet and they look for other mass shooters and how they've acted. that's kind of the social contagion of that talked about. 80% of school shootings, the person gets the gun from a family member. >> greg: right. >> jesse: all are from an illegally purchased handgun. red flag laws. you have to be proactive. also, the media can't glamorize these people, because that's what they are looking for, because they have ruben rejected all their lives they have to iden...

Conference to learn more about what this other person of interest is in the terror attack in new york city. bring in the panel. david ignatius and sarah. david, you heard that conversation i had with richard engel here. i feel the big conundrum of the career attack we are simultaneously successfully at least forcing isis underground. you know, not destroying it, and at the same time these low-tech terror attacks are at effective as ever on our psyche. >> they are. and the copycat phenomena is obvious. i think richard engel made a really important point. which is after three year, the caliphate...

Officers killed in brooklyn while they sat in their car. it wasn't long ago we had two metropolitan las vegas officers murdered in an ambush and in twine four officers killed in a coffee shop up in washington state. there's many other examples. they happen from time to time that law enforcement officers are targeted just because they're law enforcement officers. >> you have to wonder. the timing of this, the shooting comes a couple day that was highly publicized shooting of two journalists in virginia. are there any parallels to be drawn? >> there are parallels. we're one city now, alex. when ...