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Told friends at lunch last month, i just got a msage from the president to stay strong. ken vogel and indira lakshmanan are back with us. and ken, if there is a single rule to live by in life when you know someone is under investigation by the fbi, you just wait. you wait. you do not communicate with that person. you don't e-mail, you don't call, don't meet them for coffee. just wait until that's over. the notion that the president of the united states might be reaching out to and communicating directly or indirectly with michael flynn under an fbi investigation could -- there is just no way t...

Consequences coming. they are afraid of the structural problems that trump is going to bring them in 2018. mike pence feels like a safety blanket. he feels like a soft landing for a lot of these guys. i don't think it would be that easy politically if pence gets caught up in the stipulate stream. i don't know all the information yet. we don't know how involved pence was hiring flynn as the head of the transition team. these things are really complicated right now for mike pence going forward. but the pack has certainly set off a lot of alarm bells. >> the other point being made in that questio...

So this begs a question why are they not going through the front channels? why are they not going through the state department, and what is it they're trying to hide with all of this? >> and steve clemens, why does the president in general just favor russia so much? and the back channel issue is so fascinating. k would ha loved to have a back channel to nikita khrushchev during the cuban missile crisis. they tried to figure out how to get in cleaner communication and be understood. and so that's where credibility, personal, presidential credibility is so enormously important. it is conceivable...

Issued a statement written for the president in language that he would clearly never personally use saying, "as i have stated many times, a thorough investigation will confirm what we already know there was no collusion between my campaign and any foreign entity. i look forward to this matter concluding quickly." it was a perfectly reasonable presidential-sounding white house statement about a situation like this. but everyone knew that would not be the president's last word about the investigation. everyone knew we would have to wait for the early morning tweet to find out what he was really ...

But the entire thing has been a witch hunt. and there is no collusion between certainly myself and my campaign. but i can only speak for myselves and the russians, zero. i think it divides the country. i think we have a very divided country because of that and many other things. so i can tell you that we want to bring this great country of ours together. >> the president, if he becomes a witness under oath for a special prosecutor will not be the first president who became a witness for a special prosecutor under oath. today he got a bit of a rehearsal for what that might be like. he was asked...