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But it was originally agreed it was going to be two hours. the network are making a fortune off this stuff. they never made money. always lost money with it. now they're making a fortune. i wonder why? >> he alluded back to the other debate when they were going to make $4,000 for a 30-second commercial. all of a sudden they added that extra hour and it went to $250,000 for a 30-second commercial. he said that's what they're trying to do here. they've sold the advertising for the first two. if the front-runner is saying we're not going to be there. >> also, it's the change of there would be no ...

He's very concerned about how the noise from all of this plays out. in terms of undermining the effort of the party so built a different brand, to build a new brand with consistencies that have taken this off their radar, that don't look as the party as serious alternative to what the democrats will be offering either in this cycle or in past cycles, and so that has got to be concerning. it should be concerning because when you have an autopsy that says very clearly we want to embrace hispanics and bring them into the party, we want to have a different conversation with women, to have the lead...

People working longer hours. he was talking about part-time jobs and not enough to put money on the table. she is trying to turn it around saying they don't need more hours but they need a raise. that is the core argument she is making. >> frank clinton's critics have said itou is tough to here a populus message from a person who rakes in the cash she makes. do you see people coming back and saying ncwhoa we like the message but it is not reining true coming from you? >> that is the beginning of crossing the bridge with the critics saying she had it well. weke are seeing the first steps of con...

Public debate? we can have it after the midterms? >> i think that's right. what i'm -- when i'm talking to mccarthy and allies they are making an argument he is the stability candidate. let's move on from this cantor mess, try to have boehner stay, mccarthy ascend and not have too much tumult within the ranks. that's his core argument and not making an ideological case. it is a case of stability. >> molly, let's move to immigration here. the rand falling comments are always fascinating. paul has been -- he wanted to be supportive of the gang of eight but when push came to shove he pulled back ...

>> i wasn't saying i thought that they should be slaves. i was not saying they're better off. i was wondering if they're better off? they're not slaves no more. they seem to be slaves to the welfare system and this type of thing. but they have opportunities. look, we have -- a good example i guess. look how far we have come to have a president. >> okay. we will get to mr. bundy's view of the significance of president obama's election in a minute. his clarifying statement didn't back off the core argument about modern slavery. this thing about slavery and about government -- subsidies, and slav...