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More about the interconnectedness of the two fields of study. >> why don't we say nasa's core competence is building equipment that can observe the earth remotely in ways very much similar to how it's been observing planets remotely using space probes to gather information about planets of the solar system. we learned a great deal this way. what nasa has done is used the core competency to create a technology that has expanded our knowledge of the earth's eco system about 100 fold. we now have really good observational capability that brings us data about all all the earth's different systems,...

I've gotten the privilege to work with over the years, but right now there's really what i would describe as a real crisis of confidence. >> wouldn't the new director have to know about this incident? >> i would imagine within minutes. >> if he really wanted to send a message, that he's cleaning things up in the secret service, why wouldn't he just fire them? >> obviously everybody wants to have a review make sure the facts are as they understand them. but so much information here you're in a public place. you go talk to the bartender, how many drinks did they have? you don't necessarily have ...

Was new. these types of tactics happen all the time, by the u.s. and others, officially, on the battlefield, on the fly. this happens, don't treat it lie it's new, that's being intellectually dishonest, do you agree? >> i was the deputy commander of a task force of about 220 personnel with investigatives and interrogate everybodies at guantanamo, afghanistan and iraq. i can tell you we did not do this and we did not observe this. >> why would they have done such horrible things that are detailed in this report, i won't go into it on morning television, if they didn't think it was working and t...

>> first of all, it is a piece of good news. i think moscow will thwart the monitors to the extent they can get away with it. but it is good news. the bad news is moscow is using a playbook they've refined very well using intelligence operatives to create trouble, o far beyond just collecting intelligence. we have to expect this in the east and south of ukraine, too, and that's what's going on right now. the russians are very, very adept at this. this is almost a core competency for the russian intelligence services. we have to expect that. >> what you're talking about is choreography. and adr...

Down the street from you. i think, well, that's the internet. free access that's down the street from you isn't your local college anymore. it is internet classes. >> which is an interesting point, because as the cost of learning is becoming cheaper, ironically the cost of education keeps going up and up and up. so why might that be? >> interesting. >> one of the problems -- this is what i like to call the "u.s. news & world report" industrial complex. >> oh, i know this one. >> people rank schools on not only how much money they can raise but how much money they can spend, like political camp...