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Market. >> mostly you want someone who has good work habits, a good work ethic, someone who is going to show up, put in a full day's work and someone who has got either good critical thinking skills so they can learn, so that they can be doing con stand learning. what we needed an employee to do five years ago is really different from what we need an employee to do now. >> so you're not training someone for a particular set of skills. you're training them for the ability to keep learning. on the one hand, that feels like it's directly related to college education. then you said people who show...

Down the street from you. i think, well, that's the internet. free access that's down the street from you isn't your local college anymore. it is internet classes. >> which is an interesting point, because as the cost of learning is becoming cheaper, ironically the cost of education keeps going up and up and up. so why might that be? >> interesting. >> one of the problems -- this is what i like to call the "u.s. news & world report" industrial complex. >> oh, i know this one. >> people rank schools on not only how much money they can raise but how much money they can spend, like political camp...

I had the incredible privilege of getting my education at stanford, harvard and yale. that kind of access to knowledge, to mentorship, to networks is something i think every hard working student should have a shot at. that means a traditional college experience. but absolutely we need to innovate college so they're stepping up their game, so they're making it less expensive for students to attend, so they're making learning more relevant, we're actually teaching skills more about learning and the doing, that are relevant. and so they're not staggering over so much debt. this point that i come ...