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They just refuse to believe those facts, rick? >> it is really the core conundrum of folks who are conservatives still and who believe in things like limited government and personal responsibility and individual liberty and the rule of law. the question is how do you face up against that when there is a media apparatus that has had the trappings of conservatism for years but is just without a blink of an eye switched over to authoritarian statism and nationalist poppism and the audienand you had -- and the audience polled right along because they wanted their own comfortable lies. >> i'm sure ...

The ideas being put forward. the president talked about deregulating insurance, allowing it to be sold along state lines, and other ways try to reduce the cost of premiums. the problem is, if you do that and unravel the risk-sharing, the winners in that process are primarily younger healthier people when they're voting democratic. and the big losers are older, working-age people, at a time when a majority of donald trump's votes came from white people over 45. and that core conundrum of finding an alternative to obamacare that does not hurt their own voters, i think is a huge hurdle that repub...