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First and enforcement later. which meant amnesty now and enforcement never. it also dramatically increased the number of unskilled and low skilled workers coming in this country at a time when blue collar americans are still seeing their wages undercut. you need a targeted incremental deal that solves this problem of the 700,000 but also mitigates the negative side effects of it. >> can you give me a definition of amnesty because it's in the eye of the beholder, it feels, particularly when it comes to this debate on the right side of the spectrum here. what is your definition of amnesty? >> am...

The tests -- it's a national test. it's not an obama administration-created standards. the standards are national in structure. their view is anything that's national means it's not state or local control. and that's the core debate. >> again, it's just demonizing the federal government. i mean, this, you know, originally it came out of the bush administration. it goes back to the first bush administration really. this push for national standards and this push to raise standards. some of it is actually controversial on the left, but what they've done is demonize the notion of a federal role in...

Amnesty which ronald reagan said was his biggest mistake in evidence. the core debate has never been about legal status. it's been how are we going to control the negative side effects of that, which is undercutting american jobs and wages and deterring more illegal immigration. put yourself in the shoes of a parent in el salvador. if you had the promise of american citizenship of your child, trying to get away from the poverty and violence in that country and we pass a straight amnesty with no effort to increase enforcement or change our green cards, wouldn't you take a very dangerous risk to...

This is a moral panic. it's out of nowhere. >> i didn't come out of nowhere -- >> tucker: charlottesville happened. it's obvious why the jefferson davis turnpike in alexandria has to have its name changed a week later. so people have fueled this fire and my point is, it's -- i'm not saying it's totally illegitimate, i think it's a real debate, okay? but it's not the core debate, it's not even the same universe as the core debate. >> i think the discussion, often times from people who don't have a certain -- or have have a cen level of privilege, think that it came out of nowhere. it was a thin...