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First and enforcement later. which meant amnesty now and enforcement never. it also dramatically increased the number of unskilled and low skilled workers coming in this country at a time when blue collar americans are still seeing their wages undercut. you need a targeted incremental deal that solves this problem of the 700,000 but also mitigates the negative side effects of it. >> can you give me a definition of amnesty because it's in the eye of the beholder, it feels, particularly when it comes to this debate on the right side of the spectrum here. what is your definition of amnesty? >> am...

Can't pass a major comprehensive immigration bill. >> and you acknowledge that? >> well, i helped stop it in 2013 because the deal was so bad at the end. the problem was it gave amnesty first and enforcement later. it also dramatically increased the number of low skilled and unskilled workers coming in this country at a time when blue collar americans are still seeing their wages undercut. you need a targeted incremental deal that solves this problem of the 700,000 but also mitigates the negative side effects of it. >> can you give me a definition of amnesty because it's in the eye of the beho...

Amnesty which ronald reagan said was his biggest mistake in evidence. the core debate has never been about legal status. it's been how are we going to control the negative side effects of that, which is undercutting american jobs and wages and deterring more illegal immigration. put yourself in the shoes of a parent in el salvador. if you had the promise of american citizenship of your child, trying to get away from the poverty and violence in that country and we pass a straight amnesty with no effort to increase enforcement or change our green cards, wouldn't you take a very dangerous risk to...