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The obama administration did not want to see other affiliates around the world, such as in the sinai peninsula, such as libya, they did not consider these groups part of core isis or daish, a group contained to iraq and syria. now we're seeing outgrowths, groups pledging allegiance to the leader of isis and this is something the administration and counter isis coalition is going to have to deal with. >> we've seen isis focus on territorial advancesing taking over territory, not high-profile attacks. this were at hand of isis this plane going down, would that represent a shift? >> it absolutely...

From places that are themselves very socially conservative. so people they act based on learned behavior. if you have individuals that grow up in the middle east for their whole life they will replicate what they have learned there. that's the problem. when you're in it in the west where the society is very open and gender mixing and liberal education, liberal leanings social conservatism doesn't work. you see this not just in muslim community but in other communities that are equally conservative. they tend to be very intolerant. that is the problem with rigid social structures. the only way ...

Underlying issues are how the kurds are properly supported, because that's going to be very, very critical, how do we all reach out to the sunnis to feel that there is a future for them and that they are not alone, and if we do not solve the puzzle of a future -- political future for the sunnis in iraq, then they're sitting there saying, what's the difference? i think the key is that unless we can unravel the future of a sunni future in iraq, then the iraqi puzzle will never be done. i hope that our friends, especially in the united states, understand that crucial part. from syria, again, it's...

It's not something that's going to happen overnight. but i think that they've -- their best days are behind them. but again, the holistic approach. look at egypt. the support for egypt is tremendously important because they have the problems in the sinai. the next elephant in the room, the big elephant in the room nobody is really concentrating upon is libya, and this is where egypt plays a very vital role. then boko haram and shabaab. we have to figure out how to tactically and strategically as part of the international community as well as the groups in asia. if we don't do it that way, we c...

And jason is a friend of mine. he's my successor at "the washington post." i worked for "washington post" for four years. i saw jason very often. i am not iranian judiciary, of course, but i've not seen any of the things they accuse him of. one of the accusations is writing a letter to president obama. well, that's exactly the same thing that ayatollah khamenei has done so that can't be such a big crime. >> thomas, pleasure to have you on. >> thanks for having me. next on "gps," today's main event, jordan's king abdullah on the fight against isis. his nation shares borders with both iraq and...