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Of facts is simply that there was a direction to contact officials from foreign governments in december of 2016, well into the transition, including russia, to learn where each government stood on, in this example, the resolution and to influence those governments to delay the vote or defeat the resolution in connection with israel. >> isn't that when the sanctions or placed? >> sure, but i guess the question is, what's wrong with that? and even if you -- even if you have issues about one government at a time and one administration at a time, there's nothing unlawful about that. >> go ahead, p...

Of jared to try to influence it while president obama was still president obama. why are they always lying about it? that's the question that -- >> i think i can answer that one. >> you've got five seconds. if you can tell me in five seconds. if not, we'll have to wait. >> in five seconds, it was politically problematic to be acknowledging contacts with russian government officials. and i think what probably went on, which is the danger of every administration is lying because you think that it's helpful to the administration. that's a problem. turned out to be a federal felony. >> are you goi...

Happen, the question is why was it during the campaign, after the campaign, in the transition, after the transition that they were trying to be nice to russia. >> all right. so then why? why? why would they lie about this, especially -- >> i think that's -- that's the part -- >> that's the core question. >> -- that looks fishy, which is they were trying to be uncharacteristically nice to russia of all countries in the world, and every time they forgot to mention the contacts on forms, they lied about it to federal officials. the white house lied about it publicly. why? >> we have time for the ...

Things. does it stand to reason that the president had no knowledge of these conversations? and crucially, now that flynn is cooperating with the special counsel, is he prepared to say that the president told him to have these conversations? open question, we don't know. but a very reasonable question. >> when people lie so much, you don't know what to believe. but usually what you end up believing is none of it. so evan perez, walk us through this. what did flynn admit to exactly? >> he admitted to really just one count of false statements, but really contained within that one count, don, wer...

Time came for a decision about indictment versus impeachment, my trial team was pretty adamant that we should indict the president. >> fascinating. >> and thought that we had grounds for doing it. >> huh. >> but we also had someone saying impeachment is the right method, not indictment. there is now a ken starr memo that says you can indict a sitting president. so it's an open question now whether you could or not indict the president. >> i mean, what's remarkable about this is just that, you know, we were talking about the smoking gun or the bridge, when you're talking about the collusion cas...