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>> i think it's an incredibly messy think and it's a lot of moving parts and a lot of missing pieces. the russians were trying a lot of different approaches, throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what would stick. i'm not sure it's a beautiful one piece of pasta. >> who knows. we don't know what we don't know. to one -- to miriam's point, it does seem to me there was enough in what we do know that the russians could conclude these people will play ball, donald trump will defend our interests in public and probably as president so we'd like to see him elected. so we should really, like, kic...

Being cultivated, even before. and he's also central -- jill, the protecting -- protecting flynn is central to what the actions the president takes with respect to comey and then there is the question of sessions. i mean, there is an open question of whether he will take further action towards the department of justice, towards rosenstein or towards mueller to thwart the investigation if it starts getting even closer to him. >> absolutely. and he certainly has indicated it, but i think he has been tamped down by his lawyers who have said you've got to get control of this. it's going to hurt yo...

Et cetera. how much do you think that trump is a person with selling those kinds of properties and they're parking the money in there? how much do you have a sense that russian oligarchs who are doing that are sort of in contact with some greater political intelligence agenda? >> i think what you said is absolutely correct, that russians love to buy property in new york and miami and london to park their cash abroad and to have a place to flee. if you are successful in russia, if you reach a certain level of success then you have been blessed by the state. does that mean that you receive order...

About the multiple bankruptcieb. unlike other real estate developers. he was squeezed off from the traditional sources of capital and real estate, the entire game is that you borrow money. you invest it. you hope to make money and get out. that's basically out. if you can't borrow money, you have a harder time. >> one of the most interesting things to the sale was the timing of it. it happened in 2008 when trump was going through essentially multiple bankruptcies. nobody would loan to him. this was a huge infusion of cash into his bank account, so, you know, when you look at the circumstances ...

I'm chris hayes. for weeks now, the president and his allies have been insisting that special counsel robert mueller doesn't have far to go and it's only a matter of time before mueller clears the president and his inner circle of wrongdoing. in the wake of the first guilty plea and criminal indictments in the russia probe last month, it's clear the president still faces potential legal jeopardy on multiple fronts. there are his international bngs entangments, thanks -- the special counsel has already signalled he's not afraid of follow the money indicting paul manafort and manafort's deputy r...