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Parking the money in there? how much do you have a sense that russian oligarchs who are doing that are sort of in contact with some greater political intelligence agenda? >> i think what you said is absolutely correct, that russians love to buy property in new york and miami and london to park their cash abroad and to have a place to flee. if you are successful in russia, if you reach a certain level of success then you have been blessed by the state. does that mean that you receive orders from the state that you must participate in this grand collusion exercise to get trump elected? not neces...

Et cetera. how much do you think that trump is a person with selling those kinds of properties and they're parking the money in there? how much do you have a sense that russian oligarchs who are doing that are sort of in contact with some greater political intelligence agenda? >> i think what you said is absolutely correct, that russians love to buy property in new york and miami and london to park their cash abroad and to have a place to flee. if you are successful in russia, if you reach a certain level of success then you have been blessed by the state. does that mean that you receive order...

Officials. i met a guy and clearly the u.s. intelligence community felt necessary to unmask me and leak it to the media but if the media and the obsession on the trump/russia collusion, they are kind of jumping the shark if they think i had something to do with that. this occurred in january long after the election. there's either this trump grand collusion plan or not. they asked me to go meet with russian -- which no one did. i happened to be there and met a russian. >> who did you meet? >> some fund manager. i can't even remember his name. >> a fund manager but you don't remember his name? ...

Set, katherine rampell and nick confessore. let me ask both of you, and nick, i'll start with you. what do you make of this? >> it's a bombshell, all right. it goes to the different perspective that the trump family and the kushner family had about russia when they came in. from their perspective, in their world, the russians were deal partners, friends, people who put money into their projects. so to put your head to where their head was at, i can sort of understand why he might have made what is obviously a catastrophic and terrible mistake from a security perspective. if you come from the p...