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Kevin brady. thanks for joining me. >> thanks, liz. >> i'm going to ask bluntly, when the president or steven mnuchin says we will have tax reform signed, sealed and delivered by the end of this year, is that excessive expectations? >> look, that's our timetable. i know both the president and the senate majority leader and the house announced just a month ago that we're unified on a core set of principles, we're moving forward on tax reform for delivery this year and the president's committed to that approach. so what i'm seeing, especially right now in august, we may not all be in washington ...

Third meeting, which is the contested third meeting, there's been folks suggesting that people think that there's intelligence suggesting it might have happened. sessions denies it. what do you make of it? >> i think every pun intended, it's odd that they would keep referring to discuss this in closed sessions. there must be something there. i mean it's clear we've heard about this alleged mayflower meeting. this was when president trump had his foreign policy -- i'm sorry -- at the time candidate trump had his foreign policy discussion at the center for national interest, and the ambassador w...

Naveed, the sessions -- this question of sessions' possible third meeting, which is the contested third meeting, there's been folks suggesting that people think that there's intelligence suggesting it might have happened. sessions denies it. what do you make of it? >> i think every pun intended, it's odd that they would keep referring to discuss this in closed sessions. there must be something there. i mean it's clear we've heard about this alleged mayflower meeting. this was when president trump had his foreign policy -- i'm sorry -- at the time candidate trump had his foreign policy discussi...

Sanders. whether it's him or sanders or whether the president gives briefings himself. it's like that old movie. the call is coming from inside the house. it's not an external messaging road block or obstacle. it's the president having no discipline, tweeting constantly and not having a core set of believes from which he's working. if barry goldwater and say this is what's passing for conservatism right now? you can't run an operation like this and expect to get big things done. >> i would add it's not the it messenger in this case, it's the person behind the messenger and i feel bad for both ...

Worst enemy when it comes to messaging. there's all this talk right now about whether sean spicer will continue to give daily briefings or sarah huckabee sanders. >> where is sean spicer today? >> whether it's him or sanders or whether the president gives briefings himself. it's like that old movie. the call is coming from inside the house. it's not an external messaging road block or obstacle. it's the president having no discipline, tweeting constantly and not having a core set of believes from which he's working. if bury goldwater were alive today he'd say this is what's passing for conserv...