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Statistics around race and racism in terms of stop and frisk policies. there's a lot of issues we have to confront. it doesn't mean we don't have issues in other areas. >> you have alluded to the density of data. so does t.j. holmes has a point when he says it's still impossible to talk about race relations because everyone goes to their corn ors, digs in, swings out, fights, and goes back to their corners? >> i think t.j. is right that some folk do that. many of us try to have the conversations on an on going way. many of us see the value of having the conversation about race and gender and a...

Statistics around race and racism in terms of stop and frisk policies. there's a lot of issues we have to confront. it doesn't mean we don't have issues in other areas. >> you have alluded to the density of data. that suggests that we have yet succumbed to that racial nirvana or promised land. so does t.j. holmes has a point when he says it's still impossible to talk about race relations because everyone goes to their corn ors, digs in, swings out, fights, and goes back to their corners? >> i think t.j. is right that some folk do that. many of us try to have the conversations on an ongoing way...