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Emotions that he felt personally, because the subject matter involved a gold star family and something that he's too intertwined with personally to depart from emotionally. there's no disconnection there. i think that what he was trying to assuage the fears of those who felt it was an affront to the traditional decorum offered to gold star families and in that his remarks in themselves were subject to the emotions that he was feeling at this time. >> it was so clear. and just the emotions i think so many people were feeling them, as they listened to him speak. it was really an extraordinary ap...

Getting information about what happened to those four service members in niger, who died two weeks ago. a lot of information not out, a lot of questions, and presumably the senator got some answer, certainly there was some smoothing over to do there that we just witnessed as they came out together. i want to bring back in the corporal, who served with john kelly's son, robert kelly. he's very familiar with the general, and i do want to go back to asking you about general kelly, because you said to us back in august, that that was when general kelly has just become white house chief of staff. t...

Because interpretation is inherently subjective to that person. >> so, sebastian, when you look at how this should have developed instead of how it did, do you think that the more appropriate way for this to have come to a resolution would have been for there to just be an acknowledgment from the white house? because you say look, if she felt this way, that's her prerogative. do you think there should have been an acknowledgment to the widow instead of this running away and that debate between the white house and that congresswoman? how do you think it should have resolved. >> to my understand...

Has not give enthem or the public the information. >> some smoothing over an order for sure. thank you so much for that. my next guest served with john kelly's son. secretary lieutenant robert kelly. he also accepted a purple heert from general kelly. he lost his arm serving the country. and corporal i want to thank you so much for being here to give us your unique and such important perspective on what has become a really big controversy here that i'm sure you've been observing. when you heard john kelly make his comments about what he was told when lieutenant kelly was killed, what was you...