Trying to address corruption in ukraine. mr. kent, you've worked on anticorruption and rule of law for much of your 27-year career; is that correct? >> i specialized in anticorruption and rule of law issues since 2012, correct. >> so like most of us up here, i don't have a good sense of what a real anticorruption effort that we must engage in all over the world all the time what that looks like. so let me ask you to just take a minute and just characterize for us what a real initiative, what a real program of anticorruption might look like. >> if we are doing a systemic holistic program, you n...