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But i don't -- again, i don't know that that is penetrating into russia. the people who know what's actually happening are not the people who ever supported vladimir putin, and even though independent media has essentially been rooted out of russia, i mean, at tremendous speed in the last week, people can still access western information sources. they can access reporting on telegram. but they have to now use vpns and have to go through a little bit more effort to find out what's actually going on. but that is the small minority of russians, and they never supported -- most are people who neve...

For nearly two weeks, we have sought to bring you the reality of what's happening in ukraine, the devastating images of human calamity, of cities and homes and lives destroyed, because that is what is happening. in reality. to the people of ukraine. unprovoked. but in russia, where as we were just discussing with the congressman, a brand-new law criminalizes coverage of that reality. any coverage that uses the word "war" or "invasion" is outlawed. there is no talk of the civilians being targeted and/or killed on tv. and the little reporting on the destruction and refugee desperation blames ukr...

So that's the problem here. is that people want that no fly zone because their immediate concern is to save lives here on the ground. >> that's the human calamity that you bring home to all of us. cal perry on day 13 of the war in ukraine. thank you, my friend. once again, thank you. joining our conversation, retired four-star general, barry mccaffrey's back and founding partner and washington correspondent julia is here. julia, you've written and been asked about something that was a gut punch to me. you described this as new york's 9/11. that is almost precisely what cal's reporting describe...

Everybody's got them. they can be devastating on those russian armored columns. but the bottom line is i think mig 29s are a diversion from what's really at stake here. >> julia, yesterday on this program, former adviser to president zelenskyy, who is extraordinary in his ability to report out what his experience has been. he stayed in his home either in or near kyiv and he patrols his neighborhood and he said this on the show yesterday. it has haunted me for the last 24 hours. he said we'd imagine what it's like is imagine a mass shooting in a shopping mall and tragically, we imagine that. we...

Presidential run on is talking about islamic radicalization. this president has radicalized so many more people than isis ever did. jillian: red cnn guest apologizing but some saying it is not enough. carly shimkus here with reaction. >> that was correspondent julia, she defended her position saying the president has more supporters than isis and his supporters espouse an equally hateful ideology. she then apologized on air and apologize later on twitter as well saying i clarified and apologized on air but i will say it again here, this has been a very emotional and painful time but i absolute...