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Corruption. would you agree with that? >> >> i would say that there is corruption in every country. including ours. >> okay. thank you. and some we're clearly more concerned about than others. in these corrupt nations of which there are probably hundreds of corrupt individuals, hundreds of corrupt government officials, can you give me an example any time where the vice president of the united states shows up and demands that a specific prosecutor be fired and gives them a six hour time limit to do that? are you aware of that happenings any other place? i guess the answer is no. and i just thin...

Assistance, it is appropriate for them to look at levels of corruption in countries. >> that's correct. and lastly, you also testified that -- and this is your quote: issues of corruption have been part of high level dialogue between u.s. leaders and ukrainian leaders regardless of who is the u.s. leader and who is the ukrainian leader and that is a normal issue of diplomatic discussion at the highest level, end quote. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> i will yield 30 seconds. >> you know what, i will yield back after that. thank you. >> mr. swalwell? >> both of have you testified that yo...

Extortion and talk about bribery and cover up and obstruction for which there is zero evidence of any of that we heard characterization of the president's phone call so outrage julsly inaccurate it had to be described as a parody. none of those things matter. it comes down to this. we appreciate your insight. we appreciate your opinion. but all you can do is give your opinion of this. this one phone call. let me ask you, gentlemen, both of you have said here today, you have testified, corruption in ukraine is endemic. would we agree on that? >> simple question. problem is. isn't it? >> it's a ...

Withholding some of this aid that's actually required by law that it be withheld if they can't certify that corruption has been eliminated or is being addressed? >> certification in that case is done by the secretary of defense upon advice of his staff in consultation with the inner agency community. we were fully supportive of that cnt. conditionality the secretary of defense had been certified that issue had been met. >> we agree withhold funds if there are questions about corruption that have not been addressed. i'm going to yield the rest of my time to mr. jordan. 18 seconds. you are going...

Chief admission. >> and you testified that the issue of corruption in burisma was in the u.s. interest because, quote -- and this is from your deposition, we had made a commitment to the ukrainian government in 2014 to try to recover an estimated tens of billions of dollars stolen assets out of the country. is that correct? >> that is a stolen assets that were in the name of the owner burisma krzyzewski, he was the one we believed had stolen the money. >> sure. so the first case, this was the first case that the u.s.s., u.k., and ukraine investigators worked on was against the owner of burisma...