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Interview with bill o'reilly, it was what the president said about rudy and his role. >> what was rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> you have to ask rudy. i don't even know -- i know he was going to go to ukraine, i think he canceled the trip. rudy has other clients other than me. >> you didn't direct him to go there on your behalf? >> no, but -- no, but you have to understand, rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> giuliani is your personal lawyer. >> yes. >> so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine or do anything or put the heat on them? >> no, i didn't direct him. but he is ...

>> you didn't direct them to go? >> rowe day is a great corruption fighter. he felt personally insulted by what happened during my c campaign. >> so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine to do anything? >> no, i didn't direct him. he's a warrior. he went and possibly has done work in ukraine for years. >> in the summary of that now infamous july 25 call with the new ukrainian president, trump himself repeatedly brought up giuliani saying, mr. giuliani is a highly respected man. he was the mayor of new york city and i would like him to call you. he's very capable guy. if you could speak to him...

But -- no but you have to understand rudy is a great corruption fighter. >> giuliani's your personal lawyer. so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine and do anything or put any heat? >> no, i didn't direct it. but he -- he is -- he is a warrior. rudy's a warrior. rudy went. he possibly saw -- you have to understand rudy has other people that he represents. >> jen reuben, that is a real brain teaser. rudy's got other clients. same thing trump said about michael cohen by the way. he's got lots of clients. didn't turn out michael cohen actually had that many clients. really good guy. crime fight...

Investigators, his decision in early september to release $391 million in security assistance to ukraine and his denial to a key ambassador around the same time that there was no quid pro quo with kiev. remember, trump was so clear when talking with gordon sondland at that point. trump is talking about his personal lawyer and long-time friend rudy giuliani. in an interview with bill o'reilly, the president distanced himself from giuliani's role in the ukraine effort denying he sent him to get dirt on the bidens. >> what is rudy giuliani doing in ukraine on your behalf? >> well, you have to a...

Corruption fighter. and you have this new report that he was over in ukraine seeking out business deals for himself while he was representing the president. i mean, it's almost sort of just too much and, you know, if you step back from it, you see -- i don't know that trump will be embarrassed by that or worry about that. but he entrusted rudy to do this. >> yeah. >> that's clear. it almost doesn't matter what he says at this point or when he cuts him loose, whether giuliani goes dark from here on out. but, you know, the president believes to doug's point that this is a political matter, and a...