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Best interest. at the end of the day, america has demonstrated for 200 years the ability to pick amongst abraham lincoln and somebody else. donny, donny, don't trivialize it. >> i'm not at all. >> sounds like you are. >> i'm doing the opposite of trivializing it. >> how does money corrupt? you've talked about banking reform. tell us really quickly, buddy, some of the way that money corrupts washington and stops reform dead in its tracks. >> look at the tax code. larry gives examples in his book, i can give examples in my life. you were a member of congress, how often do you make a permanent ch...

Because i think everybody in washington's realized there's a possibility that barack obama gets reelected, republicans take over the senate as well as the house, and then they're going to be staring at each other and they know there can't be an impasse for four years. so this may be a good step forward. >> yeah, baby. >> yeah, baby. >> i don't want to be cynical before 6:35 in the morning, but i'll believe it when i see it. >> thanks. >> y'all have a good day. >> is that how you do it, donny? you look like pocahontas. >> i finally found something that donny, i, and tiger woods have in common. ...

Taking up the fight to change the way washington works. what was the plan? and the more i talked to him, the more i had to sense there was no plan. they got into office and they became the administration hillary clinton would have been. >> well, buddy, isn't it fair to argue that they -- once you get into office, the message is a lot harder to execute? it's a message that we all believe in. >> that's what campaigns are about, though, mika. they're about setting the agenda. they're about prioritizing what you're for. and you need to have some preparation to execute on that idea. let me say it a...

Campaigns now than there was before. >> what's causing the pop? i mean, i agree with you. we're always looking for the candidate who pops. and in this republican primary season, it was all the outsiders who were popping. not outsiders in the way i'm talking about, but people appealing to a strong base. but in the 2008 election, what was it that made barack obama exciting relative to hillary clinton? it's because he said he would take up the fight to change the way washington works. and hillary clinton -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa -- made him exciting. he was the first african-american potential -- t...

>> what? >> well, i don't have a date. do you know a girl that would like to go with me? >> do i. >> well, how about the flip side? >> good old days. >> i remember that episode. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsch, steve rattner, and joining us from washington, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. >> they love it. that's what we call timely. >> and of course, we just saw that clip because davy jones passed away at the age of 66, had a heart attack yesterday. very sad, survived by a wife and i believe four girls. >> four daughters, yeah.