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of the institute for fiscal studies on whether the numbers add up, in any budget, or what these days we have to call fiscal event, can be devastating for a politician. that verdict is treated like the word of god, not least by broadcasters like the bbc who have experts from the ifs on our programmes all the time. my guest this week is the director of the ifs, pauljohnson. welcome to the programme. if the ifs is the word of god, that makes you god. how does that feel? very strange. he chuckles all we are, as it were, we are a research institute who happen to work on fiscal things, whi...

Thrown back at you. but it is easy to point at all sorts of things that liz truss and other people said, quoting us in support of their arguments. pauljohnson, i will let you get back to north london. thank you very much. tottenham court road at the moment, nick. thank you very much forjoining me on political thinking. as pauljohnson says, politicians of all parties have quoted the ifs to make their case. but back a few years, gordon brown wasn't mightily impressed with the verdicts of his predecessor robert choate. the word "choate" used to be shouted out to the horror of treasury officials. ...

The prime minister has attacked "the talking heads that taxi from north london town houses to the bbc studio to dismiss anybody challenging the status quo." where do you live? like you, north london. i don't know if it is a town house, a 1960s terrace, but today i cycled down from our offices off tottenham cort road. do you think, though, that she and others in the government, when they have a go at the anti—growth forces, have they got you in mind? well, i hope not, because we have been very pro—growth. what are the anti—growth forces that are being described? i think those who are agai...