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Said it is reckless to tie this email and this decision to freeze the money with this phone call. even though they happened in such a tight time framement t ad an omb official was telling officials july 18th the plan was to freeze the money but it is telling that none of the actual decisions, the actual moves, the official moves to freeze the funds happened until after president trump spoke with president zelensky. >> that seems an important point. good to see you, sarah. joe lockhart, and career flnks and law professor cory breshner. thanks for being here. so you see this timeline, and you ...

Pelosi's mind. mcgahn is a stalking horse for mick mulvaney and don mcgahn has no excuse thought to go in. if he gets enough of his book written, which he's trying to do, he's ready to testify. he wants to promote that book and be a star again in the country. but the mcgahn ruling, i think, would give him that opening and my guess is mick mulvaney, who know nows he'll be fired, the same. so again the -- i don't think we're going to see a second impeachment on obstruction, whether we should or shouldn't legally. but i think this is a stalking horse to get at other witnesses. >> so go ahead. >> ...

Individuals that didn't show up for the house probe should have to show up for the senate probe and this revives all of that and brings that up to the forward. >> puts a spotlight back on it. the names sound familiar but then this is reminding folks of why they are -- why they are important and why they are relevant and folks keep talking about them. quite frankly, cory, lawmakers and all of us, we're seeing this email, we're seeing this document and learning about this because of a freedom of information act request not because the white house was willingly handing anything over. because they...

Congress are suggesting that that could possibly happen. >> shimon, good to see you. thank you so much. everyone is back with me. cory, i don't know, heads are going to fall off with mort articles of impeachment coming forward. but before that happens, what do you think of this? that the house is saying they need mcgahn's testimony because it could lead to new information that could lead to more articles of impeachment. really? >> look, i think we absolutely need another article of impeachment on obstruction of justice. mr. mueller outlined ten instances of obstruction of justice and why he ...