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When we had a cost problem. so the next step for republicans, and democrats, if they're willing to be reasonable and help is to address cost. obamacare has driven up costs. our first principle has to say the 155 million americans who are in employee-sponsored coverage, we need to get their costs down. >> how? >> that's the first -- >> id'd like you to please articulate for me how. what is the plan to do that? >> the first thing you have to do is get the government mandates out. have the government stop taking such a heavy hand. only 8 million have been paying a penalty for failing to buy a pro...

Industry employs millions of people. and the technology josh talks about is more expensive than the infrastructure in place. >> we have a huge cost problem. there's the infrastructure problem. >> especially when you have as you say these politically active and money spending oil companies supporting their interests in washington and politicly telling one to kick it down the road than barring it off the bat. >> there is this investment problem, right? i mean, the fossil fuel companies, that is their -- they need investment constantly to -- that's the fuel that they run on. >> but you're not -- ...

About is more expensive than the infrastructure in place. >> we have a huge cost problem. there's the infrastructure problem. >> especially when you have as you say these politically active and money spending oil companies supporting their interests in washington and politicly telling one to kick it down the road than barring it off the bat. >> there is this investment problem, right? i mean, the fossil fuel companies, that is their -- they need investment constantly to -- that's the fuel that they run on. >> but you're not -- what you don't want to try to do is recreate what happened with the...

Infrastructure in place. >> we have a huge cost problem. there's the infrastructure problem. >> especially when you have as you say these politically active and money spending oil companies supporting their interests in washington and politicly telling one to kick it down the road than barring it off the bat. >> there is this investment problem, right? i mean, the fossil fuel companies, that is their -- they need investment constantly to -- that's the fuel that they run on. >> but you're not -- what you don't want to try to do is recreate what happened with the tobacco industry where you shunn...

Conversation i had with phil. i'm very clear. here's my opinion. i think it's good when more people get covered. and i think this number is 2 million or 6 million or 9 million right when you add in the 20 somethings. that's great. but there is a real cost problem which phil was referring to on the 2 million piece. which is whether or not you get enough people in the private marketplace. number one, what did you think of his answer and where we go from here? >> well, i think his answer was intentionally open ended. because at the end of the day, no one can say whether they're going to get to th...