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Really rich people are waiting for a good opportunity to invest in that. >> which comes back to the point, josh, that ultimately a price on carbon -- this is a means to an end of achieving that. but that is the ultimate end. >> that is one goal, of course. but let me bring up the fact that deploying renewable energy can help heal our democracy. as i go all around the country and i visit people from the gulf of mexico or the people who were harmed by sandy or the people in the 34 states -- you know 15 million people in america live right now within one mile of a fracking well. and that fracking...

Point, josh, that ultimately a price on carbon -- this is a means to an end of achieving that. but that is the ultimate end. >> that is one goal, of course. but let me bring up the fact that deploying renewable energy can help heal our democracy. as i go all around the country and i visit people from the gulf of mexico or the people who were harmed by sandy or the people in the 34 states -- you know 15 million people in america live right now within one mile of a fracking well. and that fracking campaign is in its infancy. we can work with those grassroots groups across the country and there a...

Today's technology, the wind and the sun and other forms of renewable energy, to get to 100% of our power generation needs. i have started a nonprofit called the solutions project which work with stanford university scientist mark jacobson to map out how you get to 100% renewable energy. and it's within our grasp technologically. so what we're talking about is exploitation. it begs the question, what is money worth when there's no civilization? >> that is the question i think about. >> that only operates within a stable civilization. it's not worth anything. we must make this transition as you...

Industry employs millions of people. and the technology josh talks about is more expensive than the infrastructure in place. >> we have a huge cost problem. there's the infrastructure problem. >> especially when you have as you say these politically active and money spending oil companies supporting their interests in washington and politicly telling one to kick it down the road than barring it off the bat. >> there is this investment problem, right? i mean, the fossil fuel companies, that is their -- they need investment constantly to -- that's the fuel that they run on. >> but you're not -- ...

For a good opportunity to invest in that. >> which comes back to the point, josh, that ultimately a price on carbon -- this is a means to an end of achieving that. but that is the ultimate end. >> that is one goal, of course. but let me bring up the fact that deploying renewable energy can help heal our democracy. as i go all around the country and i visit people from the gulf of mexico or the people who were harmed by sandy or the people in the 34 states -- you know 15 million people in america live right now within one mile of a fracking well. and that fracking campaign is in its infancy. we...