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Aid that australia has known about this for several hours since it was lunchtime their time. you wonder why they didn't release anything. does that show that they themselves are skeptical about this? secondly, if it's not a pinger based on the fact that it is the exact frequency, the 3.75 that it needs to be -- or 37.5, rather that it needs to be. what else could it be? >> the process of cooperation takes time and it takes a lot of time to make sure that the information that they're disseminating is unequivocal and accurate. so what i do is i want to go back to this situation. i want to look a...

The collection of theidatesa in the first place is the issue. the fourth amendment is clear. a warrant is needed before data is collected on citizens. >> the supreme court ruled on the fourth amendment. the post office is allowed to read the outside of an envelope and record it and get the information over to the fbi, the answer is yes. that was decided in 1979. this is the outside of the envelope, meaning it's just a phone call, how long, and to whom. it's constitutional. is it a good policy? well, i understand the argument that it allows a huge potential for abuse. but let's understand that ...

Did. in the end, they're in the center of the spotlight. >> the spotlight, let's be fair, goes back to 9/11 to and people asking questions why they didn't connect the dots, especially with the plane that went into the pentagon, but the whole idea here is that there's a lot of politics at play, and part of the politics is that, yes, they do collect what they call this metadata, this bulk collection of phone numbers, but the only time they look at what an american is doing is if there's a connection to overseas activity that is suspected to have terrorist connections. that's what is missing when...

>> if you had snowden alone in a room for 15 minutes, what would happen? >> well, i'm not a violent person, and i'm not going to try to beat him up or anything. i am hugely disappointed that somebody that we -- that signed a document that said, i can be trusted with top-secret data, couldn't be. i think i would express my huge disappointment. i may tell him some of the classified things he's caused so he knows the damage, the significant damage to our nation and to our allies. i think this will haunt him for the rest of his life. here's a young guy who made some huge mistakes. >> so you're not...

Congress, to the courts, to the dni, dod, justice, everybody reviews what we do to see if anybody is doing anything illegal like you suggest. no one has found anything, zero. except for in 12 cases where people did that, and we had already reported those. and so the issue is, people say what could happen, and immediately jump to, well, that is happening. >> march 12th, 2013, the senate intelligence committee, senator widen asked the director of national intelligence this. >> so, what i wanted to see is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, does the nsa collect any type of da...