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President and his supporters are going to say they came up with nothing. yes, some people were convicted of crimes that have nothing to do with pollution, nothing to do with obstruction of justice. i've got the claim bill of health. on the other hand, i don't think democrats are going to give an inch on that. that was what was so interesting with my interview with nadler. as a book, let's talk about the issue of collusion because the president couldn't collude with russia by himself so if there was criminal collusion, somebody else would have to have been involved whether mr. kushner or donald...

>> bret: in other words they couldn't collude with iowa let alone russia. >> i could be wrong but i don't think so. >> bret: you are a former prosecutor. what do you think of this whole thing. >> what happens is you get the assignment and look at was there collusion between russia and trump campaign as you are looking at it you stumble across other crimes and stumble across paul manafort's tax evasion and deals with the ukrainians which turn out to be illegal. then you start questioning people about russia thing and they start lying to you and wonder why they're lying. second thing you you hav...

Said, we don't really know a lot more from these 13 pages, but we know michael flynn is cooperating a lot. we know he is a pivotal player. whether it there is a conclusio from mueller' investigation, we don't yet. in the question of collusion. i actually think this actually woke a lot of us to maybe there was collusion. we sort of stopped talking about that for a while because he was a pivotal player there as national security adviser during the campaign, during the transition then into the white house. >> the transition -- one thing i think -- maybe the experts can speak to this. >> the trans...

Withhold their base from overplaying their hand on things like that. >> i think -- i have to say from spending eight years if the white house, if i were sitting in there right now, i would be working on my resume and looking for an exit because this is not good news to have another senior official participating. i think it's fair, as michael said, we don't really know a lot more from these 13 pages, but we know michael flynn is cooperating a lot. we know he is a pivotal player. whether there is a conclusion from mueller's investigation, we don't yet. in the question of collusion. i actually th...

Clash because, look, if i were his lawyer, i would throw myself bodily between donald trump and that interview because everything can go wrong and very little can go right. >> and this real turn took place, jen, between the inquiry into collusion and questions the that have started to come out really with much greater frequency about obstruction of justice. and the people around donald trump, the people who try to paint a picture and put as positive of a spin on it as they can while maintaining their credibility. they are few and far between. i'm convinced they'll end up in witness protection ...