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>> i also trained in public policy, and i got interested in quality of air. it was evident to me as a doctor that things were not going well, costs were way out of control due to waste and i got interested in modern methods of improvement and for over 20 years i worked on taking methods of improvement, the kind of things that made improvements and cars and making other production things better, and i started a nonprofit institute, and we worked globally on health care improvement, 70% or 80% in the u.s., and i saw how much progress could be made in health care improvement, and the affordable h...

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In families. if we want change in the family, do we want to rail against government when government can do good things and bad things in these cases, where we have actually seen? >> what do you mean by railing against the government? >> it pertains to which side of the fence you turn on, and the issue of state's rights versus federal rights, of course, that sort of argument was used to perpetuate the idea of slavery in the 1800s, and now today we are looking at alabama and arizona engaging those states rights to alienate communities that i hold near and dear and advocate for. i am not complete...

This so i never would have believed my children would have had to encounter some of the things we are hearing. i just came back from alabama, and in arizona three weeks prior, and it's totally amazing to me, and it's beyond me, a generation that we confront these issues in the 21st century. that's why i may be right of center, but i am an independent. i have a problem with the donkey and with the elephant for different reasons. with the elephant, my problem is this issue of immigration. what is the conservative movement trying to conserve, by the way? a pig men tags? >> pretty much. >> a weste...

Second is riffing off of chris's question. i am down in d.c. defending the affordable care act, and with you where you are, and the difficulty of getting these things into positions, what can we do? give us guidance. we need help getting the affordable care act over the barriers here. >> leaders like you need to speak up in -- on the moral high ground about what it means to be a country where you get care, no matter who you are or the size of your wallet or the color of your skin, and you need to talk about the confidence. i visited senior centers when i was in that position, and loved it and ...