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Straight towards eternal damnation. >> and john list was coming under intense pressure from another corner as well. >> john list had a financial problem. there is no question about that. he had mortgaged the house to the hilt. he had trouble keeping jobs. he had been unemployed for long periods of time. he also had a problem, obviously, dealing with people. it's one of the reasons he would lose his job. he just wasn't a people person. he would work in finance and where a personality was a necessary part of your job and he couldn't function. >> john list's financial problems were putting an eno...

Them from failing. that is the reason the early explorers braved the atlantic ocean. why? to find a new land in the first place. no. they want to find a place to be free and not control. that regulation is to control you, not them. they wanted elite system where you couldn't function. think of it as mr. potter. "well, george, come to work for me." no, no, mr. potter. first it's tempting. but no, mr. potter. george bailey knew he was going to be destroyed when he said it, but he said it anyway. here we have had 200 years to get away from that system.

Them from failing. that is the reason the early explorers braved the atlantic ocean. why? to find a new land in the first place. no. they want to find a place to be free and not control. that regulation is to control you, not them. they wanted elite system where you couldn't function. think of it as mr. potter. "well, george, come to work for me." no, no, mr. potter. first it's tempting. but no, mr. potter. george bailey knew he was going to be destroyed when he said it, but he said it anyway. here we have had 200 years to get away from that system.

Is the government being a little too harsh on this one? >> well, i imagine it must be temporary, right? when president obama's no longer in the white house, they're going to have to rescind this, i would think. >> good question. >> in terms of open government, we're not trying to close up government, we're trying to open it. so it strikes me as something temporary. although you can imagine what drove them to this madness. i mean, that they're literally so inundated with requests they couldn't function. >> jack, reasonable choice for hawaii? >> i agree with a.b. actually on this. obviously, wit...