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>> yeah, i do, and he is well-respected. >> what does it tell you? >> he has been around a while. he needs the help. look, marc kasowitz, his main lawyer, is not an experienced washington criminal defense lawyer. he's a new york civil litigator who has had very little, if any, experience in this kind of arena, dealing with the politics of congressional investigations and the intricacies of a criminal, a major justice department criminal investigation. it is worth remembering, remember, that the president couldn't get his -- you know, he approached four top criminal defense lawyers in washingto...

>> but won't people understand just because he's maybe -- maybe he didn't get the job, i don't know if he's upset or not, but he doesn't appoint himself as a special counsel, someone who is under donald trump, the president actually appointed him? that makes -- >> it is all the deep state. it is all the deep state and that could work for him. >> can i ask you guys this about john dow, the president adding him to his legal team, a well-known d.c. based attorney. >> yeah, i do, and he is well-respected. >> what does it tell you? >> he has been around a while. he needs the help. look, marc kasowi...