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Judicial matter. anderson, there's something called fisk, the foreign intelligence sarnurveillance co, and it could be that it's under seal. and i have no way of knowing which it is if it's either of those. but the executive branch is in position of the affidavits and the warrants and the applications for warrants. so there are only two ways to lawfully intercept someone's oral communication and the executive branch would have access to documents that support either of those two ways. >> just so i'm clear, if president trump wanted that information, he could just pick up the phone and contact ...

I think that's interesting he would just go ahead with this and put the request in a way that, you know, ensured that it would come out publicly within a matter of a day or two, which it has done. >> of course the fbi would know if there was a wiretap, fisa warrant on then presidential candidate's phone. david gergen -- >> i can clarify that, pamela? >> yes. >> the fbi is the only federal agency to conduct fifa wiretaps. >> exactly, which is what i'm saying. they would absolutely know. that's what i'm saying. the fbi would know. so david gergen, why wouldn't the president do, perhaps, a little...

Sort of from fuzzy information sources over the last year that indeed there were fisa taps that picked up trump towers and it looks like all trump did is just took what was out there in the ethers and tried to make it fact. which again is frightening. because a president could find the answer to this before he makes the statement. >> couldn't he -- he oversees. >> he is the one person who for sure could have gotten that information. >> and so then what do you make -- i know you said his mind is a mystery, this attempt to transfer the entire russia scandal onto president obama? >> i think he wa...

Times" about meetings in the netherlands not confirmed by cnn, just an important point to make. >> i'm not sure i understand, given the options available, what the political cost is to recusing yourself from this investigation. what would jeff sessions be doing in it anyway, couldn't he just say, i'm out? and that's not having a special prosecutor and the white house could wash their hands of it, at least for the time being, easily. >> there's a compelling case for jeff sessions to step back from this investigation. as we've seen over the last couple of weeks, every time the story comes up, be...

Why couldn't he have just come out and said, i completely condemn any form of anti-semitism, if there is somebody out there who thinks they're supporting me in some way, i reject that. the whole thing was kind of surreal. why it was embarrassing frankly to watch an american president so under briefed and to be given these assists by the israeli prime minister. >> wasn't there a similar sort of odd moments with prime minister may in the press briefing as well, yeah? >> not quite as bad as this. there is another moment here where trump mentions a larger deal than the israeli palestinian one. i t...