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It all may not change or happen right now. punishing the cuban people. >> a quick question. from what we know, raul castro and the leaders there will either freeze in place or retreat if they are faced with threats from the u.s. >> a little bit of logic and wisdom here is called for. if we come down on them hard. they will just retreat and say, well, here we go again. we'll wait another 50 years and do business with europe, asia, china as they are doing today. >> after everything said about donald trump could he be an effective secretary of state? couldn't he be faced with questions of, well, ...

Programs with executive orders so i think he'll probably go right ahead and do that on immigration. he can't build the wall right away, so at least he can do this. >> and dana, on opposition to something like nafta, donald trump spoke very clearly about his opposition during the campaign trail. he could get rid of that, couldn't he and. >> he could. technically, the president, the executive branch, has the ability to do that. by the terms of nafta, one of the signatories -- or any of the signatories, i should say, has to give the other countries six months heads up and the country can technica...

Party? joining us now discuss that and more from vermont is jane sanders. the wife of senator bernie sanders. jane, thanks for joining us. >> good to be here, wolf. >> all right. so senator sanders says he is supporting congressman ellison as leader of the dnc, the democratic national committee. because, he says, it needs to be led, i'm quoting him now, "by a progressive that understands the dire need to listen to working families." here's the question -- couldn't he be that voice, senator sanders, or at least play a leading role in the dnc? is he considering something along those lines? >> we...

It was more about hurting himself that we were concerned about. >> bill, some have criticized the president and asking why he waited so long to do this. what do you think? >> i agree. he's at the end of his second term, these shootings have happened for eight or -- for a long time. and he's waiting till the very end to do this. i applaud him for finally doing something. but it's -- why couldn't he have done this four, five, six years ago. >> you have been frustrated for years and hoping he would take action? >> yes, absolutely. >> tricia, several republicans and the nra have vowed to overturn ...

And the president's answer is gun control? the president's answer is releasing jihadists at guantanamo? that's the reason that the country is on edge. yes, the world is in trouble, but it usually is. the difference is we have a president who is not asleep at the wheel. he's not at the wheel, he's somewhere else. >> we'll turn to gitmo in second. he could have done this back after sandy hook, couldn't he? when democrats joined with republicans to vote against the legislation up on capitol hill, they proposed. couldn't he said back then? >> they've been asked that question over and over again, w...