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President could literally shoot someone on fifth avenue and not even being investigated for the crime. listen to this. what s your view on the fifth avenue example? local authorities couldn t investigate, they couldn t do anything about it? i think once a president is removed from office, any local authority this is not a permanent immunity. i m talking while in office. that s the hypo. nothing could be done, that s your position? that is correct. only if he s in office. my next guest has written a feature in the new york magazine on us hurtling towards a constitutional crisis titled what happens when a president and congress go to war. she has written a lot about the courts and the law, particularly about the judicial process. please welcome emily bazelon. hey, have a seat. it s a great piece. thank you. so you mention this example ....
Least they talk a lot about a constitutional crisis in this era we find ourselves in, but they re not that specific about what they mean by the term. in the literal sense i think you could define a constitutional crisis as happening when different branches of government are at war with each other, and there s no controlling authority to say who wins. we are apparently close to that situation right now as the white house has taken a really unprecedented approach to not just how it defies congress but the law itself. remember when trump said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose any voters? did you know the president s lawyer in federal court last month argued to a judge the president could literally shoot someone on fifth avenue and not even being investigated for the crime. listen to this. what s your view on the fifth avenue example? local authorities couldn t investigate, they couldn t do anything about it? i think once a president is removed from office, any local ....
Good evening to both of you. i want to play this audio of the discussion between this is the chief judge robert and the attorney for president trump. watch this. many things have been said by me and my family false things. i look forward to defending myself vigorously. i am certain that truth will be vindicated. what s your view on the fifth avenue example? local authorities couldn t investigate, they couldn t do anything about it? i think once a president is removed from office, any local authority, this is not a permanent immunity. i am talking about while in office. no. nothing could be done, that s your position? that is correct. for the first part that was lev parnas. that infamous boast from the president has now turned into an actual legal argument in court. so what s going on? yeah. today they were in court to argue about the taxes, of course the manhattan da s office is ....
He did it after he took office, he could not be the subject of even an investigation? that s the position? yes. he can t be charged. can t even be investigated. so a president doesn t have to give you anything you ask for in that regard. like, say, the manhattan district attorney asking for mr. trump s taxes. and the argument, the president is above the law. another federal judge already called this idea, quote, repugnant to the nation s governmental structure. and in their own lawsuit trump s lawyers concede, quote, no court has had to squarely consider the question. but in court today his lawyer said, yes, the immunity would even cover murder. what s your view on the 5th avenue example? the local authorities couldn t investigate, couldn t do anything about it? i think once a president is ....
Begin to do anything. the murdering on 5th avenue. can we play the sound here. it s interesting to hear a lawyer say the president can t be investigated for shooting somebody. what s your view on the 5th avenue example? local authorities couldn t investigate, they couldn t do anything about it? i think once a president is removed from office, any local authority this is not a permanent immunity. well, i m talking about while in office. no. that s the hypo. nothing could be done, that s your position? that s correct. it stretches the mind in terms of constitutionality. look, the idea a president can t be indicted, i think that s the prevailing view of the law. there are lawyers that agree with that. so it is not the uniform view of the law, to be clear. but part of the problem is they re kind of mixing in these concepts of immunity with the idea of prosecuting a president. ....