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Personification of evil in a lot of people's minds. this is the guy that killed jimmy allen. and i think there was great relief when it finally came down that this guy was never going to be in a position to harm anybody else again. a convicted murderer does something courtroom deputies fear most. he tries to grab an officer's handgun, setting off pandemonium and fear in the courtroom. >> i was just in shock. i couldn't believe what was going on. i was stunned. i couldn't move. >> it's may 12th, 2008, battle creek, michigan, two hours west of detroit. 43-year-old michael fisher is on trial fo...

Swirch turn it off. >> so if is as if your car -- the bell smming on something that tells you, it's as if in your car you had a you could turn off hauf? >> plus the added component in your car, if you didn't puckel your seat belt it would stoch. until you gukelbuckled your seat belt, you couldn't move. >> i'm stunning that i'm learning this 24 hours after this crash. i've been watching all the coverage, i've been reading everything i can. i have heard no investigator mention this, that there is an automatic shutoff system in the train for excessive speed. it is there. not one word that i'm awa...

I made sure i helped people get out, you know, at first i checked to make sure i had my arms and legs. it was pretty violent. >> you're checking to make sure you were still in one piece? >> yeah, yeah, because there's blood. and i was deployed over seas twice with the army, i was okay, and then the guy next to me was unconscious, i got him up, said, get up, brother, get up. he came too, i yanked him up, and i had to pull myself, the ceiling was the side window, so i pulled myself up on the bench area so i could help get them out. and then i was trying to help the folks that couldn't move and t...

A lot of people crying for help. >> i made sure i helped people get out. at first i checked to make sure i still had any arms and legs. it was pretty violent. >> you were still checking to make sure you were in one piece? >> yeah. there was blood and i served overseas twice with the army. the guy next to me was unconscious. i got him up and he got up, and he came to. i yanked him up and i had to pull myself. we were on the side so the ceiling was a side window. i pulled myself up on a bench area so i could reach it and punch it out and the people that were able to get out were gets out. i help...

Your seat belt, it would stop. until you buckled your seat belt, you couldn't move. >> i'm stunning that i'm learning this 24 hours after this crash. i've been watching all the coverage, i've been reading everything i can. i have heard no investigator mention this, that there is an automatic shutoff system in the train for excessive speed. it is there. not one word that i'm aware of has been said publicly about that yet. >> that's why i wanted so badly to come on here and talk about this. up that track, a half a mile to a mile away is a wayside signal. and it's just a little transmitter that s...