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So he is trying to make himself as stately as possible, even though he knew that he was going against donald trump when it came to issues such as -- such as putin. and it was interesting. i was talking to someone earlier today who is supporting donald trump and mike pence. you know, as a viewer and as a voter who is not in the political system, i sort of wish that mike was the one that was on top of the ticket. and i think a lot of republicans felt that way. >> rick, there is a lot of talk last night and today about how mike pence, he was actually declared the front-runner for the next republi...

More is to be gained by looking at another dog's insides, or the second, or the third? >> i don't know. it became a compulsion and it switched from animals to humans. i still don't understand it. i don't know why. >> what would you do with the dead animals, jeff? you would pick the carcasses frup the road and take them back into the woods? >> take them back from the woods. skin them sometimes. slit them all the way open, look at the organs, feel them. there was a sort of general excitement for me. i don't know why. it was exciting to see. >> one of your dad's biggest questions is when you bega...

Couldn't return, can you pinpoint that. >> is there a sense for when that really began to happen about you, jeff? >> i think that it was around age 14 or 15. i started having obsessive thoughts of violence, intermingled with sex. and it just got worse and worse. i didn't know how to tell anyone about it, so i didn't. i just kept it all inside. >> do you have any sense from where that was coming from? >> no. no, i've talked with a few psychologists about it. they have their theories but they don't have any concrete answers either. >> do you have a theory? >> no, not really. i don't know where i...

More is to be gained by looking at another dog's insides? >> i don't know. >> or the third. >> i don't know. it became a compulsion and it switched from animals to humans. i still don't understand it. i don't know why. >> what would you do with a the dead animals, jeff? you would pick the animals up from the road and take them back into the woods. >> take them back into the woods. skin them sometimes. slit them, slit them all the way open. look at organs, feel them. there was sort of a general excitement for me. i don't know why. it was exciting to see. >> one of your dad's biggest questions i...

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