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Calling for a senate ethics investigation of al franken, he says yes he would succumb to that, i don't know what will be a choice for him. >> it is in a choice and there should be one, the best answer i can give you today is that senator franken, senator menendez with a very different set of facts, with a hung jury in a case not involving at least in his case will have an ethics investigation and roy moore will have one. >> harris: even menendez had some situations in the past that have come up that did -- >> that's right, and if they get looked at, the better. i think a full airing by a senat...

Equation. on the merit. i think, this is not a complicated or difficult question. >> joshua, the focus of your book. steve bannon, you write a lot about jeff sessions he was important during the campaign? >> he was the heart and soul of trumpism. before trumpism existed. sessions was out, 10, 15 years ago fighting against immigration reform. it points in 20913 bipartisan immigration reform effort, sessions was sometimes the lone vote in favor of immigration amendments. so aggressive that people like ted cruz couldn't support him. so this guy is, is the heart and soul of what trump believes. an...

Those civil rights cases is enough to give him credit for those things. do you think that the confirmation process is subtle enough and thorough enough that these things will be teased out and that he won't be given credit for these things that he is claiming credit for? >> well, in 1986 when he was nominated to be a federal judge, the senate judiciary committee, which was the controlled by repuicans also did give the opportunity for issues to be teased out. and when they were teased out, they found out that he had been racially insensitive in a number of comments that he had made, and his civ...

>> well, in 1986 when he was nominated to be a federal judge, the senate judiciary committee, which was then controlled by republicans also did give the opportunity for issues to be teased out. and when they were teased out, they found out that he had been racially insensitive in a number of comments that he had made, and his civil rights record was really questionable. and some republicans on the committee made it clear that they just couldn't support him. now you make a good point that in the senate there is a lot of camaraderie among the senators and it's very difficult. in fact, when i tes...

The reason he has risen so rapidly. >> do you think, let's talk about the folks that are the top three. ron paul if he wins the caucuses, are you comfortable potentially with him as the republican nominee? if he was able to go from here and catapult and suddenly actually take this nationally? >> i don't think the united states can lead for world peace as we have for the last 50 years if we're not actively engaged and trying to prevent war as a host of fighting wars. >> so you would think ron paul is an unacceptable nominee for your party? >> i think that the next states are going to prove his ...