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As a health care law like this, but we're not going to talk about changing it until after the debt ceiling is raised, until after the government is reopened. but it doesn't sound like republicans are entirely giving up, at least not in big ways to change it like defunding it or delaying it, but at least some issues around the edges, again, lots of talk about things like repealing the medical device tax which helps pay for obama care which a lot of democrats do not like. things like that. but unclear how that is going in these talks, because everybody, republicans and democrats who have been so...

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All right. brace yourself. the effects of the shutdown are expanding. food aid, veterans programs, federal courts and much more could soon halt. cnn's tom foreman is here. he's working the story for us. tom, seems to be going from bad to so much worse. >> yeah, it really is. when the shutdown began, the effects were isolated. you may have felt the impact back here on day one if you lived in any one of these cities out here that have fairly large concentrations of federal centers, considering the 400,000 federal workers were furloughed, or if you planned to vacation out in a federal park, the n...

In this effort to avoid the government shutdown, if you will, and deal with raising the nation's debt ceiling. but it's not just ted cruz. it's a whole bunch of other republicans as well, especially in the house of representatives? >> yeah, there's about 230 or 40 republicans in the house of representatives, who tie themselves to ted cruz. i voted against obama care 42 times. i want it repealed. the fact is you don't shut down the government 23 you don't get your ways, you elect more republicans and elect a republican president. that's the way you do it. we had a number of republicans who went...

Canyon and that's where we have ended up. what we should have been focused on and we wouldn't be where we are today, are the things we normally focus on at this time. again, that's spending and getting those kind of things under control. the fact that we've been on a three or four week major rabbit trail that took us no place but into this box canyon certainly has hurt the country and has hurt this process, but again, the good thing, wolf, is we're finally on the right subject matter and everybody is talking about the same subject matter, which is tremendous progress when you think about it, a...