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Devices to kill syrians of which there is over 100,000. whatever happened to the president's red line where he said, if they use these chemical weapons, whether we will respond and -- >> okay, but as you know i think the president would say to you, okay, the reality is that red line was to prevent him from using weapons and we have the prospect here even if we don't completely trust the russians of getting to a point where he no longer has weapons. why shouldn't that be seen as victory? >> it's not a matter of trust. it's a matter of whether it will be enforced or not when the -- mr. lavrov sa...

Middle east hitlers when there are no churchills on the other side." where are we this morning with a potential deal at hand, and a real statement of nonintervention on the part of this president and the american public. >> well, let me take it from several perspective, david, one, i think the deal that's been proposed would be if it can be implemented would be a great deal. affirmed the ban on chemical weapons. we will have avoided a military strike. we also may have laid the foundation for a cease-fire, maybe through further negotiations with the russians. if this can be implemented i think ...

Middle of next year. why shouldn't that be universally cheered? >> it is a very big deal, sweeping deal but there are a lot of ifs. is it going to work? the russians say they're speaking for assad. assad has not personally committed to this. he spoke to disclose in a week. what if he doesn't meet that deadline? the only enforcement is up to the u.n. and that's still to be negotiated and russia ruled out the use of force as a threat. that doesn't mean the president couldn't use force but with congress leaning against that with the american people against that, how credible a threat is that? >> ...

Would spin out. we can talk about the politics of it and what this means for the president. die believe his leadership has taken a knock here but the idea that there's a clean path if only we could have found the right people to arm is delusional. we tried the same path in afghanistan and we ended up arming people who ended up, the mujahideen who were the core of al qaeda. now, we can say, well, we've got perfect clarity. we don't. we know that intelligence doesn't do that. syria is incredibly complex. there's a question of leadership but the outcome they have stumbled into is generally -- >> ...

Change if we pay the price. others saw voting booths we couldn't use. king saw the possibility of an obama 50 years ago. the world is made of dreamers that change reality because of their dream. what we must do is we must give our young people dreams again. that's what lee sanders was talking about. you take the funds. you take the expertise and you tell the children they're nothing and you tell them they're not expected to be nothing. you build jails and close schools and you break their dreams and you wonder why they're walking around where their pants down because that's what you wear in ja...