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leading up to it. i'm sure what he's turned over already is important to helping build that kind of timeline and then connection that's they're looking for. but that testimony would be important, and the kind of questions he would be asked could go -- >> before i bring the counselor in, let's go back through this. publicly, again, mark meadows is trying to sell books. publicly as like this on fox news last night, donald trump acted perfectly. >> not only did donald trump want to make sure the national guard was available, he repeated that a number of times. and i think that there are a number of people that he's communicated with that can back me up on that particular assessment. i can tell you that, you know, they've been pretty aggressive about holding people in contempt. and you know, they'll do what they need to do. and at this point hopefully the courts can work it out. >> that would break a fact-check machine. they've only held one other person in contempt, one other person, steve bannon, mark

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