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African americans, enslaved people, learned skills and trades and better themselves, despite slavery, not because of slavery despite and then we wouldn't fight over anything. >> howie: some black republicans are going after him. >> these are guidelines not just part of the text, the counter-argument coming from the desantis camp is oh, you know there's a whole litany of discussion of slavery here but it's the guidelines that say oh, no, the guideline is we're going to emphasize the idea that there was benefit to slavery for black people and i mean, it's unbelievable, so tim scott says there's ...

30% for russia, 1.05% for hours. so, a very different munition. as the president pointed out, the ukrainians are going to use them in only military places. so, yes, i all on the side of let's allow ukraine to use these weapons, precisely, and within those limitations on the battlefield . >> the counter argument would be that does not know unexploded ordnance left behind, and, because of the zone of exclusion , the risk of collateral damage is not inconsiderable, right? >> no. we could not say it is inconsiderable. but, the fact of the matter is that it will be much more limited in both number ...

>> reporter: yeah, let me separate those questions a little bit, katy, first on how much it bothers donald trump or his team. i do think they are aware of this issue at the margins. that's why you see trump react so strongly when allies or enemies do speak out about this in those terms. the way in which he went after bill barr starting sunday afternoon, and continued to do so through much of the day, really, until he walked into the courtroom yesterday was very telling, going after barr in, you know, nasty personal terms, that's always a tell for me that something that that person is saying ha...

Months of course into 2024 if the investigation doesn't wrap up and i suspect beyond will show us more of that. >> bret: obviously it doesn't get a lot of coverage other places. it really doesn't. do you think that this is major vulnerability for this president? >> no. i was just listening to i, you know, what guy and katie were saying and i was thinking to myself that the reality is one, the reason that the hunter biden story gets less coverage, i think, is it's seen as a 5-year -- this has been going on for 5 years. >> bret: that should be a reason it should get coverage. >> the question is,...

Serious investigations. you might say one of them doesn't showcase anything, but when you look at all three of them combined, it should give americans pause. laura we were just discussing that very argument. just write that the coming potential indictments, you know, i mean, hutchinson is one of the ones that appears to have gone the furthest out of the people that are potentially considering or running against the former president. you know, one thing also about his initial statement was that he said that it's up to voters to decide whether or not trump will be the nominee. he said both thing...