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Government is very strong. they are doing a lot here. and there is going to be a question in a certain point what the campaign knew, what should they have known. and i wonder if there is it a legal distinction. >> i look at this from a former counter intelligence lawyer. so from that perspective sort of the investigative counter intelligence angle to it is whether or not individuals associated with the trump campaign knew or had reason to know that there was some sort of russian interest in affecting the election and their candid e candidate. and knowing that intent to interest is a problem fo...

Reporting that there were separate fisa orders that would have been separate -- >> are they wire taps? >> according to that report there were wire taps or possibly a search. it's unclear. >> communications, what does that mean? >> it could be star geted at e-mails, phone calls, anything like that, any type of different communication and it's authorized by the foreign intelligence agency court. under a different standard than a criminal order. it tells you there is a wide ranging investigation involving paul manafort that has aspects of criminal activity in terms of financial crimes and a count...