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Then you say, okay, maybe that's just one-off. the problem is that this is beginning to be a little more than just coincidence. from a counter intelligence perspective, i think there's grave concern here. that's one of many worrisome pieces. >> that, phil, is the focus of the fbi's investigation at this point, a counterintelligence investigation. going forward. >> that's right. but again, it's not just the counterintelligence investigation. when you sit at the table for these investigations, and i have, there's a question about whether the people who are involved are truthful. even if you can'...

And it also overlaps into the legal part, it takes a long time and it's really hard. we're going to have to see where it all ends, but also from a counter intelligence perspective, though. there are so many data points that have gone down over the past really since the investigation began last year, i would be really surprised if there were absolutely no fire for the amount of smoke we've seen. >> what do you think of that, evan. do you think you wouldn't be surprised if there's absolutely no fire? >> i would be shocked if there season the a lot to discover in an investigation here. what we kn...

Those threads and indicators that something is going on and make no mistake about how serious this is because if indeed, there was some sort of co-op raoperation prior to the election, if it tracks and drips and leads us back in that direction, you're talking about questioning the election, which is why it's a partisan and difficult issue and that's the real from a counter intelligence perspective, i'm interested as to all the drips that just keep coming out and what is behind them. >> mike, last question to you, you did advice the trump transition for awhile. if you could advice them now, wha...

>> mike mcfall is absolutely right. the ambassador hit the nail on the head. you know, my book came out one month before the election. my analysis was written four months before. i'm not, you know, the central intelligence agency and other analysts have been watching this for some time. the ambassador and myself were on television several times in august a -- warning about the hack. and it's very true. donald trump right now risks the possibility of not just looking like he is apologizing for moscow. from a counter intelligence perspective, i can tell you i speak to many people in the intellig...