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Track it back. that takes a very long time in cyber. you've seen that. it took many years for them to get that level of attribution. the other part is you don't necessarily know the financial transactions, especially if they have not be part of the case, are tied to any sort of foreign influence. the third big thing to remember is the fbi's mission is to do counter espionage. counter intelligence program is really going after spies. part of this is no one really has the assignment from protecting the american public from foreign influence. there is no agency that is really part of that. there ...

Steve, let me begin with you. i want to start off with the fbi reportedly obtaining secret wiretap conversations and let's be clear. donald trump jr. is not on the wiretaps. there may have been mention of him but not himself. he's not recorded on that. what is the significance of these wiretaps? >> i think the united states government, it's no secret, has relationships all around the world with countries that listen and it's two foreign nationals talking about perhaps trump jr. i don't think it means all that much. the only unusual thing here is that we're seeing a tiny little bit of what mr. ...

That that be deployed constitutionally and with oversight. have you ever seen though a situation in which you have essentially the congress and the president kind of teamed up against the fbi in the middle which is what we appear to have here? >> i've not in 25 years as an fbi agent and in leading the counter intelligence program, i've into the seen this level of intervention, interruption, and disarray quite possibly. i've got to tell you, the only winner so far in this picture is the russian intelligence service. the russian intelligence service has one goal, and it's not to get a certain ma...

Have you ever seen though a situation in which you have essentially the congress and the president kind of teamed up against the fbi in the middle which is what we appear to have here? >> i've not in 25 years as an fbi agent and in leading the counter intelligence program, i've into the seen this level of intervention, interruption, and disarray quite possibly. i've got to tell you, the only winner so far in this picture is the russian intelligence service. the russian intelligence service has one goal, and it's not to get a certain man in office that they want in the oval office. it's simply ...

Spark a debate about the drone program in general. is this truly the most effective counter intelligence program that you can do? it's not going to be lost on some people to say if you were going to attempt an operation to get somebody and used humans rather than drones a human would have noted there are hostages here. a drone isn't going to know that. this is a reminder of the limits of the drone program. >> getting human into the area is becoming more and more difficult every day. that is clearly not the focus of these operations. i was interested when you were saying this that according to ...