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Counterterrorism for a while and at the white house counter trim. we got the sources worldclass, best in the world at this. i was not surprised. i was gratified that we finally got the hit in. one could conjecture, why didn't we do it beforehand, but i don't know the situation on the ground and you know, you never want to second guess the commanders on the ground and i'm serious about that because they've got a lot on their plate so i'll take it at face value. >> you know, secretary, one thing that came up was this idea of any more follow-up helicopter rescues. i believe, sir, there have been ...

Overthrowing the government, and we should stop pakistan, as you mentioned, from supporting the taliban inside of pakistan. those two things are achievable, but it's going to take political will and commitment to do it. now, you mentioned the troops, 4,000 troops. in my own mind, we have to increase special operations forces, counter trim. we have to increase training and advisors. we also need to put back in the afghan army many people don't understand, but we took out anti-ied, intelligence, apache helicopters and we have to put them back in there because they're fighting without those enabl...

In and say you are not going to comply with nsl phone call, it is not permissible under the law. they are the watch dog. this law in particular is constraining the watch dog. >>shepard: we want them to get the terrorists too but we don't want them to take away all this country has given us by way of our creator. >>guest: this is not doing that. also, to go to the extremes of saying that everything has to be in the open all time unfortunately that will lead to more death and we have to be cognizant of that. this is to protect our citizens, each of us, it is not asking for everything, it is not ...

Like going after bin laden, did we miss an opportunity to get some valuable information by going after him and killing him? >>guest: well, i would concur. terrorism is not like conventional warfare. it is really intelligence-driven. counter trim. i would rather have this fellow sitting in a cell being interrogated for the next five years to find out about his network and relationships he may have had and plans for future attacks but you have to weigh that. what is the cost of the lives of our troops going in to capture him in you have to weigh all the factors. but, again, it is much more to ou...