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That lease there's a clash between the united states and the muslim world. but even on a pragmatic basis it basically fails. we're talking about really such tiny fractions. when we look at this kind of thing as other people pointed out these countries have not been sources of terrorist attacks on u.s. soil over the last ten years but more to the point is we're really doing -- taking actions that impact hundreds of thousands or millions of people to deal with a problem that can be counted in handfuls. >> and to stay with you just for a moment, jm berger, the white house in this cve, this counte...

Between the united states and the muslim world. but even on a pragmatic basis it bacally fails. we're talking about really such tiny fractions. when we look at this kind of thing as other people pointed out these countries have not been sources of terrorist attacks on u.s. soil over the last ten years but more to the point is we're really doing -- taking actions that impact hundreds of thousands or millions of people to deal with a problem that can be counted in handfuls. >> and to stay with you just for a moment, jm berger, the white house in this cve, this counterterrorism document, are excl...